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Jim Myrtle Said,
August 22nd, 2010 @4:28 pm  

“when the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) hands out a half trillion dollars to foreigners”

Hands out? Don’t you mean swaps a half trillion dollars for a half trillion worth of their currency?

“Bernanke’s response was that money wasn’t drawn from the Treasury”

Don’t you hate it when such a simple answer highlights the assclownishness of Grayson?

“If nothing else, it’s clear the Federal Reserve needs a thorough audit”

Pssst….they’re audited every year.

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Ryan Said,
August 25th, 2010 @9:23 am  

No economist thinks the Fed is subjected to a COMPLETE audit every year. Furthermore, Federal Reserve General Counsel Scott Alvarez testified that an annual audit would cause interest rates to increase: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=adDANopNzewM

“Hands out” a half trillion dollars to foreigners is hasty language. It is a currency swap, although the Fed has been making a lot of loans as well. The swaps help to provide liquidity to foreign financial institutions. For the readers, here’s a rundown of the process: http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2008/09/thursdays-post.html

I was trying to illustrate the point that a lot of what the Fed does isn’t transparent. Loans and currency swaps by the Fed with other nations is something people should be aware of and have the ability to question. Without transparency, we’re taking it on faith that the actions they take with our money and the nation’s credit are “best for us”. Like TARP money being funneled abroad through AIG, there can be legitimate descent to a secretive Federal Reserve wielding great power in our financial/monetary system.

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Jim Myrtle Said,
August 25th, 2010 @3:06 pm  

“I was trying to illustrate the point that a lot of what the Fed does isn’t transparent”

And most of what they do gets misrepresented.

” Loans and currency swaps by the Fed with other nations is something people should be aware of ”

You can see their loan balances and swap balances on their website, updated every week.

“Without transparency, we’re taking it on faith that the actions they take with our money and the nation’s credit are “best for us”.”

The Fed doesn’t take actions with our money.

“Like TARP money being funneled abroad through AIG, there can be legitimate descent[sic] to a secretive Federal Reserve wielding great power in our financial/monetary system”

Sigh……The Fed didn’t spend the TARP money.

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Ryan Said,
August 26th, 2010 @10:20 am  

So when the Fed monetizes debt, that has no effect on our money and national credit? Right. There is no mechanism in place to hold the Federal Reserve accountable for mistakes they make managing our money supply and interest rate policy. That is a problem.

All of the Fed’s dealings don’t sit on their website for everyone to see, which is why some call for a COMPLETE independent audit. Keeping their credit and interest rate policies secretive, they say, is vital to them functioning. Given they have presided over a 96%+ devaluation of the dollar since 1913, and have contributed to bubbles, I would say it is vital their dealings are out in the open.

I didn’t say the Fed spent the TARP money. I used it as a parallel example of our financial and political leadership engaging in dubious actions, both of which are deserving of legitimate dissent (and happened to route money overseas).

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Jim Myrtle Said,
August 26th, 2010 @11:15 am  

“So when the Fed monetizes debt, that has no effect on our money and national credit?”

Watch out for that strawman.

“There is no mechanism in place to hold the Federal Reserve accountable for mistakes they make managing our money supply and interest rate policy”

What do you suggest? We could put Ron Paul and Alan Grayson in charge, but they can’t seem to distinguish between the Fed and Treasury.

“All of the Fed’s dealings don’t sit on their website for everyone to see”

All their securities and loan balances are there.

“Keeping their credit and interest rate policies secretive, they say, is vital to them functioning.”

Keeping those policies away from morons (Paul and Grayson) is vital.

“Given they have presided over a 96%+ devaluation of the dollar since 1913, and have contributed to bubbles”

You aren’t one of those people who imagine their was no inflation/deflation before the Fed? No bubbles before the Fed?

” I would say it is vital their dealings are out in the open”

So it can be more politicized?

“I didn’t say the Fed spent the TARP money”

That’s a relief. TARP money was authorized by Congress and lent by Treasury and actually was tax dollars, unlike Fed transactions.
Every TARP loan was (and should have been) fully made public.

” both of which are deserving of legitimate descent (and happened to route money overseas)”

I think you mean dissent. And yeah, when you give a loan to AIG (so they don’t default on their obligations) they tend to use the money to meet their obligations, even to furriners.

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Ryan Said,
August 26th, 2010 @12:09 pm  

I make a valid point, and you call a couple people morons. And then you ask me if open Fed policies should be for the purpose of politicizing. No, they should be open because of the original valid point.

We could let markets set interest rates, and institutions fail for running themselves into the ground, followed by a liquidation of their debt and eventual reclaiming of their assets by solvent/healthy institutions. Crazy idea.

Jim, take it easy on putting words/ideas in people’s mouths on this message board. I love the debate, and representing multiple points of view but, seriously, take it easy on extrapolating people’s comments you pull out in quotes.

Having said that, I know inflation/deflation occurred before the Fed. I know human nature has a hand in asset bubbles. But I’ll take interest rates that aren’t artificially contrived and a profit/loss system without moral hazard before the secretive Federal Reserve and bailouts any day. I don’t know much about Alan Grayson, but I can guarantee you Ron Paul knows the difference between the Fed and the Treasury.

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Jim Myrtle Said,
August 26th, 2010 @12:28 pm  

Markets do set interest rates. You can even bet on their direction on an exchange.

As far as letting the financial system collapse, that didn’t work out so well in the Great Depression.

All you need to know about Grayson can be seen in any of his clips on YouTube.

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Ryan Said,
August 26th, 2010 @1:56 pm  

Markets don’t set rates by themselves, though. That’s what I’m talking about. The Federal Reserve has an interest rate target aka the federal funds rate, which represents their desired rate. The federal funds rate is the rate which banks charge each other for overnight loans to balance their reserves, and thus influences the rate banks charge their customers. The Fed can add or remove funds from the banking system to approach this target. The federal funds rate target has covered a span from about 0.25-20% over the last half century. Also, the GSEs underwriting policies help set mortgage rates, which the government allows. So I’m fully aware that demand for capital helps set interest rates, but so, too, does the fed funds rate, which is closely related to the money supply. Anyone who thinks the fed funds target rate has been set appropriately for the last 50 years, should probably take a closer look.

For some interesting futures markets, readers should check out Intrade.com. You can bet on the direction of pretty much anything.

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Jim Myrtle Said,
August 26th, 2010 @2:26 pm  

Yes, the Fed sets one rate, the overnight rate.
The market sets all the rest.

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